Justice and the Hidden Powers of The Algorithm - An Interview with Kevin De Liban

In this episode, we host Kevin De Liban, a US-based lawyer, advocate, and community organiser, whose work exposes the hidden ways artificial intelligence and automated systems shape the lives of vulnerable people.

Kevin takes us into the world of algorithmic decision-making, showing how predictive tools are already embedded in welfare, justice, and housing systems. He shares stories from his frontline legal practice, where families face life-changing consequences from opaque technologies they can’t see or challenge. For Kevin, these systems carry their own “strange intelligence”, one that quietly governs access to resources and opportunities, while remaining invisible to those it impacts most.